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HIT THE BRAKES! 1962 COLUMBIA PLAYBOY AD?!?

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classicfan1	HIT THE BRAKES! 1962 COLUMBIA PLAYBOY AD?!?	Lead	[-]
Coo-Coo f☺r Muscle Bikes! (1000 +) Posts: 1043 (01/21/12 10:52:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	JUST FOUND ON EBAY, IS IT REAL? IS IT RIGHT? WAS COLUMBIA THE FIRST? IF YOU KNOW IT BE TRUE, THEN HISTORY COULD BE REWRITTEN AGAIN! http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-COLUMBIA-BICYCLE-Ad-Racer-Deluxe-III-Fire-Arrow-Apache-Playboy-etc-/180798485311?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a186df33f
oldnut		#1	[-]
Bicycle-o-holic! (25+ Posts) Posts: 87 (01/21/12 11:24:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oh boy here we go again! Ha!
KenC		#2	[-]
**Full Blown Bicycle Addict! (500+ Posts)** Posts: 614 (01/21/12 11:25:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I wish there was a date on the ad, it's just his word on what year it is. And he even calls it a Schwinn ad in the description.
musclebikemac		#3	[-]
Bicycle-o-holic! (25+ Posts) Posts: 218 (01/21/12 11:49:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This can o worms again? Let's just say Ben Frankiln and Wolfgang Amudasis invented the high rise while drinking absinthe whilst having a hypnotic trip into the future giving Pete mole a drawn picture of their idea! There!!! Ill put it in Wikipedia so it makes it 100% fact. What we all need to realize is no one persons invented the high rise muscle bike. A bunch of kids were putting together these bikes well before 1962 and a bunch of old men capitalized on their idea. They take credit for the invention where they should take credit for the perfection and distribution of the idea. Next topic please. Last Edited By: musclebikemac 01/21/12 12:11:32. Edited 1 times.
RailRider		#4	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 12:46:31) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	musclebikemac wrote: This can o worms again? Let's just say Ben Frankiln and Wolfgang Amudasis invented the high rise while drinking absinthe whilst having a hypnotic trip into the future giving Pete mole a drawn picture of their idea! There!!! Ill put it in Wikipedia so it makes it 100% fact. What we all need to realize is no one persons invented the high rise muscle bike. A bunch of kids were putting together these bikes well before 1962 and a bunch of old men capitalized on their idea. They take credit for the invention where they should take credit for the perfection and distribution of the idea. Next topic please. Looks like a 1964 or 1965 to me. This same thing happened with an AMF ad at one time. Unfortunately, every time somebody cries wolf it hurts the early muscle bike History. The second problem is people say it doesn't matter as long as we say "Schwinn" was first to do everything. There is zero proof ever to back up Al Fritz's claims but we are supposed to leave his stories unchallenged. As a matter of fact there are many of his claims we can now prove are incorrect. Yet people still want to bend and twist facts to make Schwinn #1. If you read the Schwinn page the only reference they have for anything written on there is Interviews from old Schwinn employees. They already tried to pre-date the Huffy by changing their dates around. The fact is we have dated period articles that prove Pete Moles Huffy was the first to take the High Rise bikes into a factory, the bikes were so successful that Huffy cut Pete Mole out of the picture after they saw they could sell them. In 1964 Huffy released an ad with an article explaining how they were the first to do the bikes, and how they stole it from kids in California. Nearly the same story Al Fritz tells about Schwinn only Huffy's was published 40+ years ago. There is more overwhelming evidence coming up all the time but some will never let go of their Schwinn Religion even when presented with better evidence than they have. Whether on Wikipedia or not it is time people stop with the silliness! There is no question who produced the first High Rise bicycle and it wasn't Schwinn. Schwinn did hear about these bikes and made their own. You can bring up quality, and you can discuss how they sold a billion but really doesn't change who had success first. Give credit where credit is do. Last Edited By: RailRider 01/21/12 14:14:57. Edited 1 times.
musclebikemac		#5	[-]
Bicycle-o-holic! (25+ Posts) Posts: 218 (01/21/12 13:05:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	When did schwinn come into this?? No one said anything about schwinn or Al Fritz? ......ZzzzZzzZzZzzZZZzZzzzzzzzzz. Like Ive said many times, Pete Mole didn't invent the high rise bike, Al Fritze didn't invent the high rise bike. A bunch of kids did. And a bunch of old men looking to make money capitalized on the idea and sent the idea into mass production. Credit is 100% due to the men who first pioneered the idea into production and helped bring it to the masses. But arguing who did it first is like a 9 year old fighting with his big sister who gets the bigger cookie. We all know the big sister deserves the bigger cookie but the little brother will get it. Last Edited By: musclebikemac 01/21/12 13:18:17. Edited 1 times.
RailRider		#6	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 13:15:39) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	musclebikemac wrote: When did schwinn come into this?? No one said anything about schwinn or Al Fritz? ......ZzzzZzzZzZzzZZZzZzzzzzzzzz. You can hardly discuss who was first without mentioning Schwinn since 95% of the bicycle population still think Schwinn actually invented something! Hard to discuss anything else being first without mentioning Huffy and Peter Mole. Its like discussing Drag Racing the big names will all be relevant! Plus I know what you getting at with this sentence: "They take credit for the invention where they should take credit for the perfection and distribution of the idea"
RailRider		#7	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 13:21:01) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The bike looks later to me. I think I have seen this ad somewhere on here before.
musclebikemac		#8	[-]
Bicycle-o-holic! (25+ Posts) Posts: 218 (01/21/12 13:25:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	:) your right
RailRider		#9	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 13:32:26) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	musclebikemac wrote: When did schwinn come into this?? No one said anything about schwinn or Al Fritz? ......ZzzzZzzZzZzzZZZzZzzzzzzzzz. Like Ive said many times, Pete Mole didn't invent the high rise bike, Al Fritze didn't invent the high rise bike. A bunch of kids did. And a bunch of old men looking to make money capitalized on the idea and sent the idea into mass production. Credit is 100% due to the men who first pioneered the idea into production and helped bring it to the masses. But arguing who did it first is like a 9 year old fighting with his big sister who gets the bigger cookie. We all know the big sister deserves the bigger cookie but the little brother will get it. Nobody ever said anyone invented anything here. Just who was first to produce them in a factory in a production atmosphere. The ad I posted above is pretty clear Huffy had little to hide about where they "borrowed" the idea from. I am not arguing just presenting facts that exist other than wise tales. If you not interested in who was first then you can just ignore the post. Some are interested in the truth no matter where it leads them. This is a bicycle hobby so I don't plan to ignore who was first just because some like to ignore the facts presented. This is supposed to be an open forum where we can discuss bicycle topics. No topic is more interesting than who did things first. We might talk about who had the first 16 x20" model, Maybe who was first to add crazy shaped handle bars to a Banana seat bike, maybe who made the first MX or BMX. It is all relevant. The only time it gets hot is when we claim it was not Schwinn.
RailRider		#10	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 14:36:25) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here is the link to Google Books Nov 13th 1964 page 102 has the Huffy ad. http://books.google.com/b...e%20Magazine&f=false
RailRider		#11	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 15:43:17) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here is a link to the Columbia ad its from Boys Life May 1964 http://books.google.com/b...e%20Magazine&f=false
Green Dragon.buickapollomess...		#12	[-]
Bicycle-o-holic! (25+ Posts) Posts: 148 (01/21/12 15:56:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Just went to check this and the title is updated to 1964 now.
RailRider		#13	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 16:08:48) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Green Dragon wrote: Just went to check this and the title is updated to 1964 now. lol! This is why we can not take human error as fact.
RailRider		#14	[-]
1 Crazy Bicycle Collecting Mo-Fo! (2500+) Posts: 17534 (01/21/12 16:15:34) AKA-Raleigh Ron! â�» Site Owner/Operator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This is the first Schwinn ad showing a Stingray I could find in Boys Life. Pretty cool Dec 1963 http://books.google.com/b...nepage&q&f=false
musclebikemac		#15	[-]
Bicycle-o-holic! (25+ Posts) Posts: 218 (01/21/12 16:21:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I will dig one up here later tonight I have a dealer publication from May showing the stingray. Old Gary Wold had about 20 of them he sold on this ebay page, all dated 5-3 thinks thats the earliest a stingray add will get. I wanna see some news paper clippings of custom bikes kids made in the late 50s. They made some really cool old stuff.
musclebikemac		#16	[-]
Bicycle-o-holic! (25+ Posts) Posts: 218 (01/21/12 22:55:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Earliest know stingray add, this was sent out as of MAY 1 1963 for dealers to post on doors and hand out with purchases.
John Brain		#17	[-]
Coo-Coo f☺r Muscle Bikes! (1000 +) Posts: 1455 (01/22/12 11:50:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	musclebikemac wrote: Earliest know stingray add, this was sent out as of MAY 1 1963 for dealers to post on doors and hand out with purchases. This ad was printed in the June 1963 issues of "Bicycle Journal" and "American Bicyclist and Motorcyclist" The image is a highly retouched illustration or photo of the Sting-Ray (which is how they did things then, and now). Schwinn announced in late April 1963, that they were going to be releasing a new bike called the Sting-Ray, for official release in June '63. We all know that production of the Sting-Rays started by the first week of May that year. Mac - does this flyer have a date on it ? It is Schwinn's first ad for the bike, like you said from May 1963. The trade journals would have been given the ad in May of 1963 for the June issues. Schwinn had a few similar ones from this time. Ron has shown that people make mistakes sometimes when it comes to dating things, I have a 1964 trade journal announcement for the Columbia Playboy (as a new model), so I knew the Ebay guy was wrong when he said '62. We had the same problem with the supposed ad for a 1962 "Renegade" which also turned out to be a 1964 or '65. All this gets people revved up! I love it
John Brain		#18	[-]
Coo-Coo f☺r Muscle Bikes! (1000 +) Posts: 1455 (01/22/12 12:00:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	musclebikemac wrote: When did schwinn come into this?? No one said anything about schwinn or Al Fritz? ......ZzzzZzzZzZzzZZZzZzzzzzzzzz. Like Ive said many times, Pete Mole didn't invent the high rise bike, Al Fritze didn't invent the high rise bike. A bunch of kids did. And a bunch of old men looking to make money capitalized on the idea and sent the idea into mass production. Credit is 100% due to the men who first pioneered the idea into production and helped bring it to the masses. But arguing who did it first is like a 9 year old fighting with his big sister who gets the bigger cookie. We all know the big sister deserves the bigger cookie but the little brother will get it. I think the message string being about an ad dating a muscle bike to 1962 always brings up questions on the issue of "who was first?" So anything that happens following that gets back to the general question,and Pete Mole', and Fritz, lol. Pete Mole didn't invent the basic style (which varied slightly depending on the kid who put the early pig bikes together), but he was the one who set down the original specifications for the commercially made bikes we now call musclebikes. What we call "musclebikes" are bikes that were commercially made in factories and sold in stores as new bikes. Pete Mole' set the pattern that other factory made bikes (like the Sting-Ray) followed to a tee. JB Last Edited By: John Brain 01/22/12 21:33:27. Edited 2 times.
John Brain		#19	[-]
Coo-Coo f☺r Muscle Bikes! (1000 +) Posts: 1455 (01/22/12 12:07:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	classicfan1 wrote: JUST FOUND ON EBAY, IS IT REAL? IS IT RIGHT? WAS COLUMBIA THE FIRST? IF YOU KNOW IT BE TRUE, THEN HISTORY COULD BE REWRITTEN AGAIN! http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-COLUMBIA-BICYCLE-Ad-Racer-Deluxe-III-Fire-Arrow-Apache-Playboy-etc-/180798485311?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a186df33f Thanks for posting this C-fan. Everyone loves ongoing clarification, I know that I do

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